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Friday, March 28, 2014

Roger "The Dodger" Pielke stepped outside of his bubble and reality blew up in his face, and rightly so!

FiveThirtyEight Apologizes On Behalf Of Controversial Climate Science Writer

NATE SILVER
Nathaniel 'Nate' Silver, editor-in-chief of ESPN's FiveThirtyEight blog, speaks during a panel discussion at the South By Southwest (SXSW) Interactive Festival in Austin, Texas, U.S., on Saturday, March 8, 2014. The SXSW conferences and festivals converge original music, independent films, and emerging technologies while fostering creative and professional growth. (David Paul Morris/Bloomberg via Getty Images)

by Michael Calderone, Huffington Post, March 28, 2014

NEW YORK -- Two prominent climate scientists say Roger Pielke, Jr., a controversial writer at Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight site, sent emails threatening possible legal action in response to their criticism of his findings for the data-driven news site. 

Pielke says it's "ridiculous" to characterize the emails as threats against Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, and Dr. Kevin Trenberth, a distinguished senior climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. 

FiveThirtyEight, however, apologized to both men.

"Roger is a freelance contributor and his private communications do not represent FiveThirtyEight," Silver said in a statement to HuffPost. "We had candid conversations with Michael Mann and Kevin Trenberth. We made clear that Roger's conversations with them did not reflect FiveThirtyEight's editorial values."

Revelations of the private correspondence are particularly poorly timed for FiveThirtyEight, which has been dogged online throughout most of its 11-day existence by the climate change dispute. The controversy was given increased exposure Thursday night on "The Daily Show."

It began with Pielke's March 19 article, “Disasters Cost More Than Ever -- But Not Because of Climate Change." Pielke’s claim that the cost from natural disasters has risen because of increased wealth, and not because climate change is making weather events more extreme, was quickly challenged by several scientists and experts, including Professor John P. Abraham on The Huffington Post.

Pielke, a political scientist at the University of Colorado, has been called a climate change skeptic, a label he doesn't apply to himself. And Pielke's no stranger to controversy within the scientific community. Typically, though, such disagreements over data and methodology are confined to academia and science press. 

But Pielke's piece was published on day three of the FiveThirtyEight relaunch, and media watchers had been anxiously waiting to see if Silver's revamped site, which had been in development for eight months, would live up to the hype.

Silver has emerged as one of the media’s foremost critics of “bullshit” punditry, and recently suggested that a deficiency in math skills marks “a weakness of conventional journalism.” It's because of such pronouncements that a debate over the data-driven analysis in a FiveThirtyEight article will inevitably shift attention to Silver.

In "The Daily Show" interview, Jon Stewart asked Silver about the issue. Silver acknowledged hearing “a lot of concern from our readers” about Pielke's article and said that about 80% of commenters "weighed in negatively." As a result, Silver told Stewart that the site is commissioning a rebuttal. 

But rebuttals to Pielke’s conclusions on FiveThirtyEight could be found online since shortly after the article's publication.
On March 19, Mann and Trenberth challenged Pielke’s claims in interviews with ThinkProgress


Mann told ThinkProgress that Pielke’s article was “deeply misleading, confirming some of my worst fears that Nate Silver’s new venture may become yet another outlet for misinformation when it comes to the issue of human-caused climate change.”

“This is the same old wrong Roger,” Trenberth told ThinkProgress. “He is demonstrably wrong and misleads.”

In an email to HuffPost, Mann said Pielke sent him "a threatening email in response to my fair criticism of his piece." Mann added that a representative from FiveThirtyEight contacted him and offered "an apology for what they characterized as unacceptable behavior by Pielke.”

Mann declined to make Pielke's email public, but told HuffPost that he viewed it as a "thinly veiled" threat of legal action.

In an email to HuffPost, Trenberth said Pielke contacted him and his bosses following the ThinkProgress report. Trenberth said he also received an apology from FiveThirtyEight.
Trenberth said he considered Pielke's email "a threat to me.”

“He was very accusatory and threatened me if I did not respond,” Trenberth told HuffPost.

Trenberth forwarded the text of the email to HuffPost. Pielke wrote that Trenberth had "made some pretty coarse and perhaps even libelous comments" in the ThinkProgress article. Pielke requested that Trenberth correct his public claims and noted that "an apology would be nice also."

"Once again, I am formally asking you for a public correction and apology," Pielke wrote to Trenberth and his bosses. "If that is not forthcoming I will be pursuing this further. More generally, in the future how about we agree to disagree over scientific topics like gentlemen?"

When asked about the claims that he sent threatening emails, Pielke told HuffPost: "In a nutshell this is ridiculous."

Pielke acknowledged contacting Mann and Trenberth and asked "them to be accurate in their representations of me and to conduct public discourse in a gentlemanly fashion."

"I do not threaten," Pielke told HuffPost, adding that he found "the idea offensive that they would characterize my correspondence in this way."

In a another email to HuffPost, Pielke said that his correspondence to the two colleagues was not on behalf of FiveThirtyEight, "but rather to two scientific peers I have known for decades." If FiveThirtyEight apologized on his behalf, Pielke said, "that is kind but unnecessary."

ThinkProgress editor Judd Legum told HuffPost that he contacted Silver and FiveThirtyEight managing editor Mike Wilson regarding Pielke’s emails, which he considered to be threats “to pursue legal action against” against the two climate scientists.

Beyond the two scientists' rebuttal, Pielke has also taken issue with a Tuesday Guardian post -- FiveThirtyEight undermines its brand by misrepresenting climate research" – by environmental scientist Dana Nuccitelli.

In an email to environment web editor Adam Vaughan, Pielke requested “that The Guardian correct multiple errors of fact in its piece on my work.” The Guardian looked into the matter, but did not make any changes to the piece.

John P. Abraham, a professor at the University of St. Thomas who blogs with Nuccitelli at The Guardian, wrote Wednesday on HuffPost that he contacted Silver last week and was invited to write a response to Pielke for FiveThirtyEight. Abraham said he submitted the piece and it went through the editing process before, "late in the game, they decided not to run my post." 

Abraham concluded in the HuffPost piece that Pielke's "inexact phrases, extensions of his own work beyond their application, and inclusion of non-weather-related disasters are some of the reasons his conclusions are not taken seriously by myself and other climate scientists."

On Friday, Silver addressed the climate change controversy in a lengthy "Note To Our Readers" on FiveThirtyEight and acknowledged receiving Abraham's piece. But that rebuttal, he said, "wasn’t quite what we were aiming for."

"Its criticism spanned several of the categories I outlined above, when we were looking for something more focused on the scientific claims made in Roger’s FiveThirtyEight article," Silver wrote.

In the Friday post, Silver -- whose previous incarnation of FiveThirtyEight ran for three years on the New York Times’ site and relaunched on March 17 -- wrote that the past two weeks have “been a heck of a learning experience."

Silver said FiveThirtyEight is looking for a rebuttal from someone who has not weighed in yet on the dispute and "has very strong credentials."

"We appreciate your patience in the meantime," Silver wrote. "Climate change is not going away as an issue, and we want to get this right. All journalism relies on trust -- between reporters and sources, between editors and writers, between a publication and its readers. Any time that trust is undermined, it’s a huge concern for us. We thank you for your continued feedback. We’re listening and learning."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/28/fivethirtyeight-climate-change-dispute_n_5049279.html

Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Jon Stewart annihilates Tucker Carlson on Crossfire

Still all too true after 7 more years of garbage instead of news from CNN (be sure to catch the last 5 seconds):

Thursday, November 18, 2010

Jon Stewart schools Rachel Maddow on comedy vs. news but fails to see the irony" by Evan Kopelson

Jon Stewart Schools Rachel Maddow on Comedy vs. News But Fails to See the Irony


by Evan Kopelson, Green Media News, November 12, 2010
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In a rare interview yesterday, Jon Stewart from The Daily Show appeared as a guest on the Rachel Maddow Show on MSNBC.
The entire interview was spent with Stewart and Maddow parsing words about the difference between comedy and news. Whereas Maddow kept asserting that she didn’t feel what the two of them do is so different, Jon Stewart had another take:
“I feel more of a kinship with Jerry Seinfeld,” Stewart said about the way he reports the news, “than with what you guys are doing.” Rachel Maddow said both of them go through fact checking, for instance, and Stewart retorted that because The Daily Show is mocking a news organization, they have to do some fact checking, but it’s not for the same purpose, it’s to line up the joke.

I’ve heard Jon Stewart make these distinctions before. Stewart as you may recall is credited for single-handedly taking down Tucker Carlson and CNN’s CROSSFIRE when he once appeared on the show and accused CNN and the show’s hosts of destroying America by injecting partisan politics into the mainstream.

On the Rachel Maddow Show yesterday, Stewart said the partisan divide that is Right vs. Left in our country shouldn’t even be the divide that the news is focused on: it should be “corruption vs. non-corruption” according to The Daily Show host.

Jon Stewart went on to explain that according to him, what Rachel Maddow and other news reporters are doing is like reporting on the weather, with a boots-on-the-ground perspective, while he and other satirists sit up high and discuss climate with more of a worldly perspective.

Here’s the irony Jon Stewart failed to see:

From the perspective of the audience, here’s what we see as the difference between real news and comedy news: The real news reports every story in 2 beats: First, the news itself. Then, some commentary. In the case of real news, the commentary is serious. In the case of The Daily Show or even SNL Weekend Update, here’s what we get at home: First, the news itself. Then, a joke about the news.

What Rachel Maddow kept trying and was failing to get across to Jon Stewart last night was, even if you make satirical or joking commentary about a news story, if the first part of your story contains actual, verifiable facts, and if your facts are fact-checked, then whether you make a joke about it afterwards, or whether you make more serious commentary about it, you’re still delivering the news.

And let’s not forget that Rolling Stone article from last year that showed a large portion of America’s youth gets the bulk of its news from Jon Stewart on The Daily Show. Stewart may have comments about this, and say that’s the reason our country is stupid and mostly pot smoking stoners who watch his show, but the fact remains he’s delivering news whether he jokes about it or not. And in his interview last night, he missed the irony.

Jon Stewart just fails to see the forest thru the trees here. That, or he is not as smart as he seems. Perhaps he is too deep in, to realize the irony: that as Jon Stewart talks about weather vs. climate, from our perspective at home he’s just parsing words and it sounds ridiculous.*

*Editorial Note: The ridiculous-sounding part is where Stewart denies he reports the news. However, what he says about left vs. right being the wrong focus of the mainstream news in America, and how the real focus ought to be corruption vs. non-corruption? Point well taken.

You can see the entire uncut video of Rachel Maddow’s Jon Stewart interview right here:

[Readers, unfortunately, the interview in not a YouTube thing, it is an MSNBC flash thing, so you will need to go to this link (but it is extremely worthwhile!): http://greenmedianews.com/jon-stewart-schools-rachel-maddow-on-comedy-vs-news-but-fails-to-see-the-irony/ ]

I left this comment:

Dear Evan,
Maybe Stewart had to intentionally miss the point. He said he went as far as he could. He’s not a newsman. It is, however, a sad commentary on our times that we have to get the news from him. CNN has devolved into pure fluff and partisan junk.
Stewart doesn’t want to cross the line into real news. However, I am sure he feels a responsibility to satirize the truth. That makes him different from most comedians — they can always just make stuff up. Stewart has differentiated himself from other comedians by choosing news and the way it is delivered (or not delivered) by the MSM as his material.
I think we have to give him huge kuddos for conceiving the rally and pulling it off. It was an astonishing and unique event. I think we’re awfully lucky to have him on the planet. What are the odds?
My daughter, Alais, went to the rally. She got a ride from southern Illinois and stayed with a primary school friend in the DC area. She is very much his audience, or rather she is certainly not the audience of ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, or CNN. She tolerates her mom watching PBS news. She said it was great, and from what she said, I can tell that she felt good to be surrounded by hundreds of thousands of rational people for a change.
I am very much behind his concerns about the widespread influence of corruption in our political processes. Fossil-fuel money rules. Wall Street investment bank money rules. This is sooooo not good for the long-term future of our democracy.
Evan, maybe, whether or not Stewart gets the irony is not the most important point here.

Evan was kind enough to write a thoughtful reply:


Tenney, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I’m not really peeved at Jon Stewart.
When the Rolling Stone article came out with the results of a study asking first what the person’s primary source of news was, and then a series of questions about current news and politics, there were 2 surprising results of the study: First, a lot of younger Americans said their primary source of news was The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Secondly, these people scored better retention on questions about current news and politics than the ones who said their primary source of news was CNN.
I really don’t know if it’s a sad commentary on our times that we have to get our news from Jon Stewart. In fact, I understand why younger people trust Stewart more than most news pundits.
I used to watch CNN from morning until night. But CNN devolved into Constantly Negative News, and I lost trust in Wolf Blitzer and his lack of judgment about what was critical news I needed to hear.
I realized from the entire 24 hour news cycle, Jon Stewart managed to let me know everything in under 20 minutes that was truly critical knowledge about what happened the prior day.
The people who get their news from Jon Stewart are lucky to have him. He does his research. The thing is, the FOX brainwashing machine is so out of control that when Stewart speaks a politically-incorrect truth, he has to sell it as satire because that’s the only way it can be absorbed.
I don’t think Jon Stewart is really doing satire. I think he has a set of balls bigger than Arnold Schwarzenegger.
You’re right Tenney, it’s not the most important point that he denies his place in the political news landscape. I’m sure your daughter would be the first to say we’re lucky he’s around doing his thing, because Jon Stewart’s contribution to America’s sanity is truly invaluable.