tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-579549341020421678.post576936346300925189..comments2024-01-16T13:06:15.270-06:00Comments on Climate Change: The Next Generation: Andy Revkin sells out to the fossil fuel interests and gives Patrick Michaels (known mouthpiece for coal companies) the first and last word in his article about the hacked CRU emailsTenney Naumerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11843130378338023902noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-579549341020421678.post-18584692329338035492009-11-21T09:38:58.658-06:002009-11-21T09:38:58.658-06:00Dear Anonymous,
Your comment shows that you have ...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />Your comment shows that you have not spent much time reading the literature.<br /><br />Climate models are not perfect, and no one ever said they were.<br /><br />But many of them are in good agreement with the real observed data.<br /><br />All of them have levels of uncertainty, which is standard and normal.<br /><br />I am not sure if Trenberth is an expert on these things -- he seems to be more of a "politician."Tenney Naumerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11843130378338023902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-579549341020421678.post-75305351724295677262009-11-21T07:47:25.684-06:002009-11-21T07:47:25.684-06:00OK, Mr Trenberth probably hasn't sold out to o...OK, Mr Trenberth probably hasn't sold out to oil interests. He is only saying that current knowledge of the science does not include a fundamental understanding of the energy budget and cloud impacts. In essence, the models are junk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-579549341020421678.post-36912333124804859972009-11-21T05:05:28.353-06:002009-11-21T05:05:28.353-06:00Here is part of the context for Trenberth's re...Here is part of the context for Trenberth's remark which was truncated:<br /><br />Comment #271 by Magnus<br /><br />In internal mails the team show some more uncertainty: ‘we are no where close to knowing where<br />energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter’.<br /><br />Different story than the usual ‘we know it all’ here at RC<br /><br />From: Michael Mann<br />To: Kevin Trenberth<br />Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate<br />Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:25:25 -0400<br />Cc: Tom Wigley, Stephen H Schneider, Myles Allen, peter stott, “Philip D. Jones”, Benjamin Santer, Thomas R Karl, Gavin Schmidt, James Hansen, Michael Oppenheimer<br /><br />Kevin, that’s an interesting point. As the plot from Gavin I sent shows, we can easily<br />account for the observed surface cooling in terms of the natural variability seen in the<br />CMIP3 ensemble (i.e. the observed cold dip falls well within it). So in that sense, we can<br />“explain” it. But this raises the interesting question, is there something going on here w/<br />the energy & radiation budget which is inconsistent with the modes of internal variability<br />that leads to similar temporary cooling periods within the models. I’m not sure that this<br />has been addressed–has it?<br /><br />m<br /><br />On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Kevin Trenberth wrote:<br /><br />Hi Tom<br />How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where<br />energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not<br />close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is<br />happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as<br />we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!<br /><br />KevinTenney Naumerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11843130378338023902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-579549341020421678.post-73187723401976410052009-11-21T04:37:24.812-06:002009-11-21T04:37:24.812-06:00Dear Anonymous,
Andy Revkin took Trenberth's ...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />Andy Revkin took Trenberth's comment out of context (just as the hackers meant it to be used) -- this is just one more example of Revkin's perfidy. He knew it was out of context.<br /><br />You will need to go to RealClimate to see the context of that remark.Tenney Naumerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11843130378338023902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-579549341020421678.post-82957603467370130582009-11-20T19:02:52.168-06:002009-11-20T19:02:52.168-06:00Kevin Trenberth has sold out to the fossil crimina...Kevin Trenberth has sold out to the fossil criminals too! Damn!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com